And why should the public have access to these again?

**R13** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:14 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlueWahooChambor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

these groups exist in almost every state and can be joined by just about anybody </div></div>

And a lot of todays "militia" are associated with skin heads and neo-nazis.

**BlueWahooChambordDevil** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:14 AM

that isnt the point......you pointed to teh first part of the 2nd amendment

the 1st part of that mentions militia

anybody can be part of or join a militia

hence the reason the right to own a gun isnt going away

**BlueWahooChambordDevil** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:15 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R13</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlueWahooChambor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

these groups exist in almost every state and can be joined by just about anybody </div></div>

And a lot of todays "militia" are associated with skin heads and neo-nazis. </div></div>
and many arent

your point?

**timmy_v** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:18 AM

Why would they have to move the draft age? Cause u think that people should not be able to die for their country when they cant vote? You would probably be one of those that would leave the country if u got drafted cause you wouldnt have the balls to fight a war.

**BlueWahooChambordDevil** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:19 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timmyv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why would they have to move the draft age? Cause u think that people should not be able to die for their country when they cant vote? You would probably be one of those that would leave the country if u got drafted cause you wouldnt have the balls to fight a war. </div></div>
yet he mentions nothing about the drinking age

you can get drafted to fight for this country yet you cant come home from the middle east and have a beer

**timmy_v** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:21 AM

Hell if i got drafted i would fight and wouldnt care if i could vote or not. Im even considering enlisting right now without being drafted. And people can always get alcohol even if they are not 21.

**BlueWahooChambordDevil** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:22 AM

they can also get guns even if they dont own them legally

your point?

**timmy_v** · November 2nd, 2008, 02:24 AM

I dont care about guns being legal. They will get them no matter what. Theres nothing anyone can do about them. And if u make em illegal then they will all try to get them to go against the government to seem cool. It doesnt matter whats illegal and whats not if anyone wants anything bad enough then they should get it.
And i was replying to r13 trying to say that they would have to raise the draft age not trying to get in an argument with u.

**PVVikeFan** · November 2nd, 2008, 09:40 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: timmyv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell if i got drafted i would fight and wouldnt care if i could vote or not. Im even considering enlisting right now without being drafted. And people can always get alcohol even if they are not 21. </div></div>

Felt the same at your age. Funny how much you learn <span style='font-family: Arial Black'>if</span> you live to get older. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]

November 2nd, 2008, 09:50 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlueWahooChambor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">odds those guns were owned legally? </div></div>
I'm thinking the term "ex-convict " and "gun" will never be legal together.